What happened here or what happened afterwards, I did not see it. It ends there. Is that clear? The throw here is supposed to come in perpendicular to the sideline. So which sport is more dangerous? Another key distinction comes from a sports fan on Reddit :. In football, that extra yard might mean a new set of downs so you get defensive players impacting the players hard and high—trying to stop the runner's forward movement immediately.
The Redditor also points to a study showing lower rates of injury in college rugby than college football. Another key distinction between the two sports comes from a rugby coach on his blog :. Another major contributing factor is that in football, offensive players are often looking backwards over their shoulder for the ball while the defensive player is in front of them.
There is no way for the offensive player to see the hit coming and prepare himself for the contact. In rugby, the ball must always be passed backwards, and the defense is in front of the ball and much closer. The offensive player is able to see the ball coming and simultaneously the tackler, allowing the player to prepare for contact.
So, are there any aspects of rugby that are more dangerous than football? Football may have a bigger concussion crisis, and a higher injury rate overall, but rugby has a distinct and serious problem: spinal injuries. This video vividly explains it and its perils:. Have you played football and rugby and can personally attest to the different risks? Drop us an email. Carly played at least one of those sports:. There is something inherently, viscerally satisfying in putting my body on the line, in executing a solid tackle and bringing an opponent to the ground, or in stiff-arming a defender.
It can be deeply invigorating and empowering. The exploitation of the players by the owners, on the other hand …. I ended up retiring from rugby after my 3rd concussion I am a chronic klutz and was terrible at maintaining the proper form to reduce my risk for injury. Providing support for the physical trade-offs players make would seem to be basic consideration given the sums they bring in. Given the money that floods the NFL, every player ought to be given the best possible health insurance for life—insurance that should cover therapy and psychiatrists and anger management and couples' counseling.
That, and they could take some tips from rugby to speed the game along a bit. Yes, I support Ireland. And little is done. The International Rugby Board is much more unforgiving about eye gouging in the scrum. That said, I believe rugby is a far better sport than its American cousin: the referee definitely rules the roost, the lack of hard helmets more or less eliminates the possibility of a Darryl Stingley-like event, no endless list of specialists who can be introduced whenever, no television breaks AT ALL But how do players feel about these issues? How do you feel about his perspective?
Drop us a note: hello theatlantic. Many of the concerns raised by your readers are valid, but I think it's important to put them in the proper context. In many cases, troubling high-profile incidents have been turned into anecdotal evidence of a problem not supported by data. Indeed, several players have retired early rather than risk the ravages of CTE [chronic traumatic encephalopathy].
They even commit suicide at a lower rate. At best, one could argue that players are putting themselves at risk for some future health issues while also improving other factors fitness and wealth that correlate strongly with longevity.
Another argument echoed by your readers is that watching the NFL makes one complicit with a league full of domestic and sexual abusers who have faced little to no consequences for their actions. Again, this is a case of high-profile events being conflated with hard numbers.
When a non-famous person does the same, we rarely hear about it. And so our confirmation bias leads us to believe players are disproportionately abusive and more likely to be suicidal. But consider how many other industries would push for that free money if given the leverage the NFL has. Oh, and forget about the World Cup, which has been beset by billion-dollar bribery allegations and built by slave labor in dangerous conditions that may cost thousands of lives.
Can't Coach Vrabel say more about what Rashaan needs to do that he's not doing? Josh Harper's 79 receptions in make him Fresno State's leading returning receiver. And not one of their next five opponents, including the Bucs, have an above-. Give me dirty looks. If defense is struggling, offense needs to hold the ball a little bit longer.
Others have found it easier to give it up. For some people, football is a former player dealing with memory loss or an abusive player given a pass because of his ability. Remaining a fan can be seen as a question of morality, but so can shopping at Wal-Mart. Do you agree with Alex? Is it fair to single out the NFL? Or are its problems still enough to give up on the league? Let us know: hello theatlantic.
Update from a reader, Ian:. A more apt comparison might be people around the same age and same relative wealth. NFL players are significantly more wealthy than the general population and have more resources to prevent arrest. Qualitatively, there are instances where NFL teams have stepped in to prevent charges from being filed. But many former fans have left the game for a smattering of other reasons, from faux-patriotism to just a malaise for the NFL.
I grew up a passionate fan and have fond memories of cheering for the Buffalo Bills with my family. As you point out, the barbarism inherent in the sport and the failure of the NFL to adapt the game to account for brain damage research is deplorable and disgusting. There are other issues that I find offensive as well. These things do not belong together. Military ceremony, jet fly-overs and overt use of American symbology in the NFL game cheapens true patriotism and heroism. Most importantly, I believe it carries the implication that the violence, force, and the untempered emotional support inherent in the game are necessary components of patriotism.
This is dangerous and misguided. A handful of years ago, I was deployed to Afghanistan. I sacrificed most of my sleep by waking up at a. I could name most of the starters for each team. I guess you could say I was a big NFL fan then. Last night, I went to a sports bar to get dinner.
The bar had the Steelers v. Redskins game on. I used to enjoy a range of college and professional sports, including football. Several years back, it dawned on me that I was watching a group of workers doing work. They were employees doing a job—nothing more, nothing less. As a cord cutter, I watch what is broadcast, nothing more. Yes I am less of a fan today, mainly because like many things today, Social Media has ruined the escape from work, money worries, family dynamics, etc, etc.
Football has always been a pleasant diversion—not an escape. Not anymore. Players tweet and post on Instagram and Facebook. I have enough drama in my own life. Your discussion really strikes a cord with me. I, too, have a low-grade, gnawing, general revulsion for football this fall. I have wonderful, cherished memories of going to RFK with my father. Yet Snyder remains committed to a version of the story that the name somehow honors Native Americans instead of insults them.
A Wall Street Journal study in determined that actual plays took a total of 11 minutes per game. I prefer to watch a rugby match, since it involves little downtime, or spend my time doing something else. Also, soccer is two hours vs 3. Most of NFL is standing around. At that point, I no longer liked how the game made me feel. A loss by my team was debilitating and winning streaks resulted in adrenaline filled obsession. It almost felt like a drug addiction. I found that rule changes that favored passing over a more balanced attack created a ridiculous dynamic where a high quality QB was essential to success.
It seems wrong that a game with 53 players would rely so heavily on one player. A torn ACL and the season was lost. The traumatic brain injuries are the worst, but the game in general has become irritating to watch. Now, we are faced with two long huddles on either side of the ball, plus a referee huddle nearly every other play while they try to figure out why flags were thrown and what to do about it and how to explain it to the assembled multitude. This last huddle is not constrained by the second clock. I have a strong memory of the head ref in my day grabbing the QB by his shoulder pads because he was confused about accepting or rejecting a penalty.
The ref screamed he was cutting into playing time and no further delay would be accepted. I think the QB had wasted about three seconds. Finally, in a worthy effort to reduce injuries, the rules have become so complex as to be unenforcible in a consistent manner. Offensive pass interference is clear enough in the rule book, but watch how it is called or not called!
In the interest of protecting the QB, intentional grounding went away, then came back with the addition of something having to do with the relationship between the QB and tackles, as if the guys in stripes could remember where the tackles, lined up after the ball is snapped and the man melee begins. Readers defended the game here , and there are a few more defenses to come.
This is far from the only time when the NFL came at a big cost to taxpayers and an enormous gain for team owners.
Many Atlantic readers are outraged by the trend, including Lori:. My disgust started with the school systems of Chandler, AZ, and Cincinnati suffering so those municipalities can make their bond payments on stadiums that sit empty for days a year. Speaking of the Rams, how does the city of St. Louis feel as it watches in horror as the NFL has ripped their financial hearts out for the second time in the last 30 years? The main reason I have given up is that as much as I love the game of football, I cannot stomach the wretched excess that is the National Football League.
I am very familiar with the struggles of my Cleveland Browns. I, however, feel that though the helmet and name is the same, these are not my Browns. I always use the analogy that the original Browns are our mom while the new Browns are the woman who married your father. I am not blaming the NFL for the fact the team sucks. They have made bad decisions and had some bad luck. Louis, we got off easy. But this is not the litany of an unhappy Browns fan.
Specifically, my main issue with the NFL is their frequent and repeated habit of holding cities ransom for new stadiums. Trust me, cities like Cleveland cannot economically justify having a professional football stadium when their schools are struggling and their infrastructure needs attention. Yet time after time, elected officials and voters are forced to prioritize a game over other pressing matters. All of that was paid for by the Cuyahoga County taxpayers every time they buy alcohol or a tobacco product. But no elected official wants to be the guy who lost the Browns.
The mayor who did lose the Browns was only redeemed because he got an expansion team. But St. Louis just lost their team because their owner created a better deal for himself elsewhere. The Oakland fans are likely to lose their team again. Do they deserve to? No, but Oakland cannot afford to build a billion dollar stadium and then just hand it over to the Raiders owner. Does the NFL care? They can afford to because there is a virtually insatiable appetite for football. And there must always be a city to use as a threat for relocation so current cities give the teams whatever they want.
People want their football and are willing to excuse a lot to have it. It does as it pleases, and the only thing that matters to them is that each of their games get played. If a player is no longer of value, he can be easily replaced. There was a disturbingly familiar story in the news today: a football player, this time from the University of Southern California, was charged with raping a woman who was unconscious.
Stories of violence against women are pervasive among athletes, and many of those cases have happened in the NFL. To be sure, rape and domestic violence is not limited to football. In July, the Chicago Cubs acquired ace pitcher Aroldis Chapman to help lead them to the World Series, despite his troubling history of pushing and choking his wife.
Many of our readers have abandoned football for that reason. I started watching football in law school in because the complex rules fascinated me, the team was doing really well, and Steve Young and Jerry Rice were just plain fun to watch. When the press began reporting on traumatic brain injuries among NFL players, I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the game.
The final straw for me was a string of horrific domestic violence incidents, including the arrest of Ray McDonald. There is no question I watch football far less than I used to. I went from an avid, every-game viewer Sunday, Monday night, etc to a few games a season, if that. But not because of the concussions, although those do not help.
Frankly, I have grown tired of watching the violence that they, the players, perpetuate against women while everyone turns a blind eye. If caught, they are slapped on the wrist and are still paid millions. This cult of celebrity worship starts in high school, where we tune in to watch where highly rated prospects are going to college.
These same high school students can rape a girl and post it to social media and be out of jail in a few years if not months, as we saw in Steubenville, Ohio. How much misconduct must we hear of while they are in college, only to get the big contracts every time when drafted? So, no. I have a hard time supporting a league that cares little for anything except its money.
Only until Ray Rice came along was anyone punished with any significance, and even now there are rumblings he might get a second chance. Of course he will. This is the NFL after all. I first fell in love with football when Baltimore was swept with Ravens fever in , when I was in elementary school. I can still name almost all of the starters on defense from that team, jersey numbers included. Once I was hooked, my dad used to pick me up early from Hebrew school on Sundays to go down to the stadium until I was old enough that I thought waking up at 9am for a game was way too early.
My relationship with the Ravens took a huge hit in fall of But it was the ensuing domino affect in the front office and NFL headquarters that left me questioning how I could support a team and sport that view women as nothing more than a blank check. Not only did I stop rooting for the Ravens, I began to root against them—when I even bothered to watch games. Since my breakup, I have taken the Miami Dolphins as 1 team, since my mom grew up in South Florida rooting them on.
Luckily, with my goal to not pay attention to the NFL, the Dolphins are such a disappointment that they make it easy. Growing up in Minnesota, we bleed purple and gold. But after what Adrian Peterson did [ physically abuse his 4-year-old son ], I cannot cheer for him without my stomach churning. Does that make me a bad Vikings fan or worse, a bad Minnesotan?
Do we have to check our morals in the name of hometown pride? Sometimes I feel like I am doing just that. I am hesitant to bring up these frustrations about the NFL to my male friends as I am fearful it will be misconstrued as weak or overly feminine. I have had to fight tooth and nail just to be taken seriously during draft day.
It is becoming painful to be an NFL fan as a woman and I wish more people cared about these issues, especially men. But it seems no one is interested and that break my heart. I live in Western Pennsylvania, so in addition to concerns about concussions, I have witnessed two separate off-the-field scandals that have really soured me.
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The popular story people tell about folk from Alabama is that when you are born you have to choose — Alabama or Auburn. When I was four years old, I put my face against a storefront window and saw two cakes. Not Auburn. Roll Tide. Or a trailer. Then I knew that Alabama was a piece of the same Heaven in which God resided. Fast forward to the Fall of when I was finally given an Alabama shirt. Friends of the family visiting from Alabama changed my life forever by bringing me two of the most beautiful Alabama shirts ever made. I knew how Joseph must have felt when he first tried on his multicolored coat.
When I wore that shirt, people magically turned against me. Football was no longer football. It was war. And I was no longer in the state of Tennessee. I was in Big Orange Country. The first shot came from a classmate in fifth grade. Brock is a good friend of mine now and the last thing I want to do is put his name in a bad light. Rock, that is. I thought that was a presumptuous thing to say since Alabama plowed Tennessee the previous season by running the same play 26 times, but I was willing to listen to his reasoning.
As I entered middle school, it became unbearable. Each year Alabama slapped Tennessee around. First in Knoxville. Then in Birmingham. Then again in Knoxville. Year after year. Tennessee head coach Johnny Majors had Tennessee teams that could have beaten the Chicago Bears, but when the Third Saturday in October arrived — like clockwork — Johnny Majors would leave his football brain cells on Cumberland Avenue.
It was this game that defined the series from to better than any before or after.
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