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Ist das Ziel auch noch so weit, Du bist Rentnegerman — du hast Zeit! Ich liebe dich so wie du bist. If I met someone my age while they were doing their job, for example shop assistant I would use Sie. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of His hand. My suspicion is that these forms are indeed artificial and that the —d- has been added in the attributive used merely to render the form declinable like the present participle which can be declined like an attributive adjective. Sign In Don't have an account?
Hanna Jung. Mia Winter. Matteo Florenzi. It's probably a regional thing then Bavaria has its traditions. I would never address a random person on the street with "Du" and frankly I would be offended if someone asked me for the time using "Du". Maybe it also depends on what you are studying. Assistents at my university were adressed with Sie, their title and last name that's if it wasn't peer teaching.
They wouldn't address us with Du either. I'm not so sure that it's a regional thing, at least nothing exclusive to Bavaria. I can also second using "Sie" but I personally wouldn't use a title as an address for university employees until they offer the "du" unless they're fellow students or Ph. Thank you CapiTanja for this great account, and to qfish and jjd for your experiences too!
This is something I really have trouble wrapping my head around, especially since in Australia we never use last names - from about 15 or 16 you refer to all your teachers by their first name, as an adult I can't think of a single situation where it would not be strange to refer to someone by their last name. I was quite surprised, when spending a semester studying in Germany, that within the university other students tended to automatically use du.
I really liked it, it gave me a sense of 'we're all friends here! I just got a job as a 'Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin' in Germany in English speaking countries, if this is after you have finished your PhD, we would call it a postdoc , and during the application process I had to be very careful about always using Sie - I mainly speak German with my boyfriend, so I am very used to using du only.
I really didn't want to offend anyone or seem too familiar! I also always used "Prof. I have a rather unrelated question for you all - when you were at university, did you take any classes in English? Did you find this difficult? What, in your opinion, is the best way to make German students more comfortable taking courses in English at university?
Do you have the impression, that German students avoid taking lectures in English? I don't think so. At least in the natural sciences and in engineering you have to be familiar with English, since most resources, all papers and even many advanced lectures are in English.
A sidenote: A "wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter" research assistant at the university is a general term for a researcher, who isn't a professor yet. And as SorrisoMW implied, if you want to publish anything you have to do it in English, otherwise it might be regarded as largely irrelevant. So while I don't know which field you're in, I would suggest just offering lectures in English and responding to any questions that might arise from that but I don't know if your university's administration requires you to hold lectures in one language or the other, since often the entire Bachelor's or Master's program or Staatsexamen, SorrisoMW is also right in pointing out the difference between a "wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter" and a "Post-Doktorand", even though I wouldn't refer to a postdoc or a PhD student as a "wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter" but they technically are one.
Regarding formal correspondence, I think that a good strategy is to start out with the "normal" formality i. I personally think, however, that "Prof. Lastname" is formal enough, since you can normally only get a professor's title if you have a doctor's degree in the first place "Prof. Full Name" is what you might read in a postal address or letter head, though. I would disagree to the "never" statement. While we rarely use last names in Australia there are times we do. It's true as a country we are mostly casual, however there are always some exceptions when in formal or conservative environments.
By the time we are of retirement age that practice will probably no longer exist, but as elderly people grew up in an era that believed as the Germans seem to that it is disrespectful to be too casual the practice lives on in certain circles. But you are right that none of this is very important for someone learning to speak English for use in Australia as the majority of people here are going to go by first names and wouldn't be worried even if someone got it wrong. When it comes to learning German, I guess think like you're talking to your great-grand parent and how they liked people to defer to them by using their title?
If someone had their Dr. That's what I meant by title. If you both have a Dr. Yes, I understood that, I was just saying that I personally wouldn't use the academic title. I would still say "Frau Meyer" provided we weren't using "du" , regardless of whether she had a doctor's or even professor's degree. And at least in the groups I've had projects or a thesis in, the group member's mostly didn't used the respective titles to refer to each other or other scientists they mostly used "du" within the groups, though, possibly with the exception of the head of the group.
But I can easily imagine how that might be different depending on field, university, or just the individual group. Yeah well in my field some people are very traditional and like their hierarchies. Some professors would even expect to be able to walk into the room first and walk out of it first which means you would stand as close to the wall as possible to let them pass.
That's quite a different experience then. But I think it's really interesting that there are so many different cultures within Germany :. For me it's very similar, but with slightly more Sie. Maybe I am a couple of years older. Just to add some more colour: I have had to do with the occasional German professor who feels very awkward about using Sie with his students. These professors want to use du , and they want to be addressed that way. I am not saying this is at all common, just that such people already exist.
I know another professor who has a strict rule about du and Sie in an academic environment: With his students, he switches from Sie to du in the very sentence in which he congratulates them after they have passed their PhD thesis defence. I noted you said "Sometimes the first name combined with "Sie" is used. A long, long time ago I was in Munich, aged 19, in a social situation not university and I was addressed by my first name, but with Sie.
Most of the people in the gathering were somewhat older than me but youngish adults. I don't think there was any condescension implied and most of the others were friends of the person I came with. Note that I'm male. I remember it because I was puzzled by it and had always assumed that Sie was used with last names only.
Using "Sie" together with the first name is also known as the Hamburger Sie. It is also often used in schools when teachers start siezing their pupils at the beginning of the Sekundarstufe II used to start in grade 11, now in grade 10 , which is especially in the beginning weird enough even without suddenly being addressed by your last name. But I agree that it's not condescending at least to me , it's just a middle way between being very formal "Sie" and last name and completely informal "du" and first name.
Edit: Your streak is very impressive. You mean "Sie" together with the first name is known as the Hamburger Sie, right? In this case I wouldn't think it's condescending, but I remember how weird this change in address felt. By the way some younger teachers were offering the "du" to us instead of changing to "Sie" and some others asked if we want to keep things as they were.
Yes, sorry, I edited it. I remember something similar from my school, where some students asked if the "du" could be kept because the "Sie" felt very strange and unfamiliar, but I think there was some policy that said that teachers officially had to start using "Sie". As jjd already said, it is sometimes called the "Hamburger Sie".
But it's usage isn't limited to Hamburg at all and, as explained on the site below, not justified anymore. The "Atlas zur deutschen Alltagssprache" - roughly "atlas of german everyday speech" has done some surveys on the topic unfortunately only in German, but there are nice maps on the site. At last, it is to be said, that those forms aren't needed in German.
So you can omit them, when learning the language. You just shouldn't be too surprised, when encountering them while talking to Germans. I found it very confusing, but her explanation helped me a lot to understand that combination. Oh by the way i am a german too. The explanation was: "In jobs with the cliche of a sexy women, like nurse or stewardess for example, the combination gives the women much more privacy and security regarding stalkers.
On the other side the direkt use of "du" would be to informal and does not provide enough distance for a good working environment". I want to add another rule for the usage of "Du" that might interest you. I'm from Austria where we also speak German , and maybe you know, that we Austrians like hiking in the mountains like the Alps.
Now, the interesting thing is, that in the mountains there are other rules for "Du" and "Sie" as in the valleys and cities.. While in the valley foreigners could consider you rude if you say "Du" to them, in the mountains it's different. Here you would be considered a kind of "Greenhorn" if you say "Sie" to them! In the mountains everyone is "per Du", from young to old, from poor to rich, from uneducated to academics!
The background is probably, that all people going to the mountains regard each others also als hikers and therefor as "colleagues", which is enough to be on a first-name basis. The only question is, where is the threshold, where do "the mountains" begin? The answer is, there is an "unwritten rule", that says everything above m is a mountain and therefor you can say "Du". But don't take this limit not too serious, nobody investigates the height and nobody is punished for saying "Du" even in lower areas To say goodbye you can say "Pfiat di".
Both are "Du" forms for greetings. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow! This is a great explanation, and it's incredibly helpful. I can't thank you enough! The joke here is that we Brits get labelled with the stereotype of being obsessed with politeness :. But the English "you" is already polite. You are so polite that completely eradicated the non-polite form "thou" from English! Of course there are more and more environments where people are using "du".
In my humble opinion this increase is caused by the fact that most of the cinema movies, tv-series and even books are translated from english to german. As the correct use of "du" und "sie" would require a translator who knows the relationship of the characters as good as or even better than the Author, and this would be really expensive, in most of the cases the use is not adequate to the former rules.
In history, the use of "sie" was way more usual than the use of the first name basis in the english language. For example there was a time where it was totally normal that children had to adress their parents with "sie" Otherwise they would not have paid their parents the honor they deserved. And this time was not so long ago as some might think. Give it to me. I in these sentences would be considered much too formal for almost all contexts, especially in BrE. Comment Oje, das ist aber echt schwierig. Bagga: "I check this always by adding a verb to the pronoun:" "I've never worked with a more difficult client than him.
Comment You are better than me You are better than I am. Comment you are better than I am I have never worked with a more difficult client than he has. However, CM2DD is absolutely right when she points out that it is somewhat unusual, and would not normally be used. The common usage of "me" in this case is so widely spread, that it clearly has been accepted as correct English by the OED.
Comment 6: Wie meinst Du das? Ist das ein Bedeutungsunterschied? Comment better than him - a little more colloquial,correct better than he is - a little more formal, correct better than he - absolutely incorrect, a fatal error. Forums Trainer Courses. LEO: Additional information.